PCSSD - Classified Personnel Policy Committee Minutes: March 9, 2016

Classified Personnel Policy Committee Minutes: March 9, 2016

Chairman Emry Chesterfield called the meeting to order at 1:08 p.m.

Roll Call Charles Blake, Loria Bryant, Emry Chesterfield, Donna Davis, Jerry Guess, Claude Johnson, Belinda Pearl, and Clint Walker present.  Absent Regena English.

Belinda Pearl motioned to accept the minutes from February 9, 2016.  Second by Claude Johnson. Motion carried.

Charles Blake stated that he had a question about the minutes.  He knew the minutes had been accepted, but he was waiting on him to ask the question.  Will we always write the minutes verbatim on what everybody says?   Exactly what everybody says?

Emry Chesterfield asked if he was asking him that question

Charles Blake said he was asking the Secretary or anyone

Emry Chesterfield told him yes

Jerry Guess said minutes are usually not considered to be a verbatim report of what happened.

Emry Chesterfield told him that he understood that, but exactly what that recorder picks up is what the secretary will write out.

Jerry Guess commented that usually minutes are an attempt to capture any action that occurred, and the jest of the conversation and maintaining a video record is a prime idea, but it seems to be so excessive; it will probably keep folks from looking at them

Emry Chesterfield said alright, we are going to move on to old business

Jerry Guess stated you don’t think there’s any reason to?

Emry Chesterfield stated No Sir I don’t, not at all Dr Guess.  Now we are going to move on to the salary proposal from the nurses.  It was sent to the Certified PPC and they sent back to Classified PPC to figure out what they want to do about this nurse’s proposal.

Jerry Guess asked do you understand why they sent it back

Emry Chesterfield said yes I understand all that

Jerry Guess said don’t you think you need to talk to the chair of the Certified PPC

Emry Chesterfield told him he had already talked to Ms. Pam and he already knows

Charles Blake asked if he could brief the rest of us on what’s going on

Emry Chesterfield told him they just refused to deal with it.  They shipped it back to us.  All I’m asking this committee to do is make a motion, vote on it and we move on.  See it’s already been to this committee before it went to the certified.

Clint Walker stated no action was considered when it came to us before was it

Emry Chesterfield stated no sir, now I need a motion on this

Donna Davis asked to say something on this matter since she represents the Nurses.  I’ve talked to a few nurses about this proposal.  I’ve asked Administration about the $5000 and the Head Nurse Cynthia Hines.  Nurse Hines didn’t have any idea as to what was going on.  From what I understand, the $5000 comes from the state and it’s for Board Certified Teachers, support staff is not eligible for this.  The District offers $3,000 to Board Certified Teachers.  Correct me if I’m wrong.

Jerry Guess said he didn’t know if it was $3,000 or $2,000.

Donna Davis said okay $2,000 or $3,000.  Cynthia Hines has already gotten a proposal approved, from the district, for the nurses that give them an additional $3,000 for being Board Certified Nurses.  They can’t get the $5,000 from the state, because it’s for board certified teachers only. The $2,000-$3,000 comes from the district, am I correct.  They are asking for the $5,000 the teachers get and they can’t get that.  Am I correct?

 Donna Davis said she thought that was by law.  Even Brad Montgomery told us at our last meeting about the law.  Another administrator here at Central Office also told me that $5,000 comes from the state and classified couldn’t get that.

Jerry Guess stated that’s a State Board of Education decision

Donna Davis said she thought that was by law.  Even Brad Montgomery told us at our last meeting about the law.  Another administrator here at Central Office also told me that $5,000 comes from the state and classified couldn’t get that. I motion that since we know we can’t get the $5,000 for the classified we do not recommend this proposal to the board 

Emry Chesterfield asked for a second

Belinda Pearl seconded

Emry Chesterfield called for a roll call

For Claude Johnson, Loria Bryant

Clint walker needed the motion repeated 

Donna Davis restated the motion and explained to them again that we can’t get the $5,000 from the district, it comes from the state, and the Head Nurse was already getting them $3,000 for being Board Certified Nurses.

Loria Bryant asked if they were asking for the $5000.

Donna Davis said yes and explained to them again that we can’t get the $5,000 from the district, it comes from the state, and the Head Nurse was already getting them $3,000 for being Nationally Board Certified Nurses.  I think they thought the $5000 came from the district.

Charles Blake asked what is the motion

Donna Davis said the motion is not to present the proposal to the board

Jerry Guess stated I understand you’re right; this is not within the responsibility of the district to give this, that’s a state contribution.  But rather than suggest we do  not support the nurses, would it be reasonable to refer this back to the nurses  and advise them to go to their legislators to get an appropriation from the state to pay nationally board certified nurses.  Rather to just say we don’t support the nurses.

Donna Davis said she supports the nurses.  Us taking it to our board wouldn’t make any sense.  

Jerry Guess said he agreed

Donna Davis stated that’s why I’m saying not to do this, but when I talk to the lady that submitted this proposal she has no problem letting her know she can talk to Nurse Hines about the $3,000 she’s already getting for them and the $5,000 is a state issue.  I have no problem talking to her, since we keep in touch.

Jerry Guess said instead of saying we reject this would it be better to simply  have a motion that says we would advise the  nurses to go to  their legislators and seek an appropriation from the state because this 5 grand comes from the state not from PCSSD.

Emry Chesterfield stated that he disagreed with that Dr Guess.  We were doing a roll call on the motion

Charles Blake stated the procedure that we’re doing is we’re taking a motion on the floor and a second on the motion, but there is no discussion.  

Emry Chesterfield stated that Dr Guess just said what he had to say and you Mr. Blake just got through saying what you wanted to say

Charles Blake stated that’s not proper procedure though.   We are in the middle of roll call.  We shouldn’t be having a discussion. You shouldn’t go into roll call until after you have the discussion. You’ve had two people to vote on it and you’re having a discussion during roll call.

Emry Chesterfield stated Mr. Blake we have roll call on the floor.  If you don’t want to vote on the roll call that’s fine with me, we’ll move on to Ms. Pearl.  Ms. Pearl?

Belinda Pearl stated that she didn’t think we should do it, but we can advise

Roll Call For -5 Loria Bryant, Emry Chesterfield, Donna Davis, Claude Johnson, Belinda Pearl  

Against 0 

Abstain 3 Charles Blake, Jerry Guess, Clint Walker

Charles Blake is abstaining because he’s not sure what the motion is

Motion carried

Emry Chesterfield that’s all that’s on the agenda ladies and gentlemen. The next meeting for Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 1:00 pm

Charles Blake had a question on the agenda.  We don’t know what’s on the agenda until we arrive in the meeting and there’s certain things that this committee has historically done and we’re not doing that I think need to be added to the agenda.

Emry Chesterfield told Mr. Blake he understood what he was saying about what he was traditionally doing. When you get here the secretary will give you an agenda.  

Emry Chesterfield stated I can understand if you didn’t get an agenda Mr. Blake, then you can complain about it.  You getting an agenda, but you just not getting an agenda when you want it.

Jerry Guess asked if we can make a motion to amend the agenda when we get it.

Emry Chesterfield told him no.  What we are about to do now Dr Guess is make a motion to adjourn

Jerry Guess stated so we can’t make a motion to amend the agenda

Emry Chesterfield said you can make a motion to amend the agenda Dr Guess, but right now we need a motion to adjourn

Jerry Guess asked who constructs the agenda

Emry Chesterfield asked why

Jerry Guess stated we don’t have any input

 Emry Chesterfield states that the people on this committee know that if they have something to put on the agenda Dr Guess all they have to do is contact Ms. Donna Davis here

Jerry Guess asked Charles Blake if he knew that

Charles Blake said no sir I didn’t

Emry Chesterfield stated yes you did.  I told you the very first meeting last year. You going to sit there Mr. Blake and tell that.  Let’s get a motion to adjourn

Belinda Pearl made a motion to adjourn 

Seconded by Claude Johnson

For -5 Against 3

Meeting adjourned  at 2:00 pm

Submitted By

Donna Davis, Classified PPC Secretary